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Religious is Not Enough

9/23/2022

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Vox Day has drawn attention to an interesting point concerning discernment. Referring to a Karl Denninger blog post -- in which Denninger insists that, despite everything, the global elite are NOT attempting to kill everyone -- Vox notes:

Karl is a genuine American hero. His courageous work on the vaccine front saved many lives and families. He always tells the truth as best he sees it, and I regard his blog as one of the very few must-reads on the Internet.
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He is a smart, observant, and rational man. But he is not, to the best of my knowledge, a religious man.

Which, I think, makes it very difficult, if not impossible, for him to connect the events that he analyzes so well today with the pattern of historic manifestations of the same evil that is ascendant today. Because the wicked elite are not rational, their motivations are difficult to comprehend, and their inspirations are inhuman.

But the one thing we do know about them is that they celebrate death and seek to create more of it everywhere they go and in everything they do.

So, yes, with all due respect, they are trying to kill you.

Vox is on point here. At the same time, the past three years or so have also taught me that when it comes to matters of personal discernment about purposive evil, being religious -- more specifically, Christian-- is not enough.

If it were enough, then it would be difficult to explain why so many Christians have revealed themselves to be such moral and spiritual retards when it comes to making connections between events and evil motivations over these past three years.

And yes, I mean retard in both the literal and the offensive sense of the word. 

Being Christian (religious) is vital -- but not enough. The past three years have revealed that one must be a certain kind of Christian to engage in the sorts of discernment Vox mentions. At the risk of being presumptuous, I think Vox would agree.  
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lea
9/23/2022 07:56:57

You would figure most people into any kind of 'constructive spirituality' would have had a different outlook on the nonsense, but i have seen 'green witches' - basically the modern day equivalent a Celtic herbalist/ nature focused lifestyle, get in line with all of the crap almost immediately. I have seen people in the dance music world basically embrace it all day one, and even 'professional travellers' on the tube don their muzzle on top of mountains and shit like that. The real contagion was and is a mind virus which i have to credit Paul Levy for. Ironically several famous admirers of his first book also bought into the narrative.

What we have to believe in is creation, the better nature of people surfacing at some point, and creativity, the honest kind.

I also need to check out the links you posted, thanks :)

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Francis Berger
9/23/2022 08:55:12

@ lea - "What we have to believe in is creation, the better nature of people surfacing at some point, and creativity, the honest kind."

I have to say, that puts it very well.

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bruce g charlton
9/23/2022 09:01:17

That useful philosophical phrase "Necessary, but not sufficient" comes to mind.

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Francis Berger
9/23/2022 10:35:32

@ Bruce - Precisely.

I confess, I have experienced some bitter disappointment concerning Christian discernment. It really should not surprise me, yet somehow it still manages to do exactly that.

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Daniel F
9/23/2022 10:59:24

"At the risk of being presumptuous, I think Vox would agree."

I tend to think the guy who coined the terms "Churchian" and Churchianity", and who included a scathing chapter about them in Cuckservative, would DEFINTIELY agree.

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JMSmith link
9/23/2022 14:24:32

I don't think apocalyptic discernment correlates with Romantic or Classical Christianity. The churches no doubt contain many more conventional people, and so many more people who accept the conventional wisdom, but Romantic Christianity is not always Red-Pill Christianity. I'm not throwing stones here, just trying to keep the discussion from slipping into irrelevant ruts. I always remember what Aragorn says to Frodo at the Prancing Pony (movie version only): "you're not scared enough." I'm pretty "red-pilled" and I doubt that I am scared enough. We remember the opening lines of Luther's great hymn: "A mighty fortress is our God, A bulwark never failing." But we forget what he says about Satan: "But still our ancient foe, Doth seek to work us woe, His craft and power are great, And armed with cruel hate: On earth is not his equal." I sung those lines many times, but only now are they beginning to make me "scared enough."

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Francis Berger
9/23/2022 16:14:32

@ JM - I didn't make any explicit distinctions between Romantic and Classical Christians in the post. What I said was that being a Christian was not enough. One needs to be a certain kind of Christian. You can find that certain kind of Christian in Classical Christianity, in all denominations, nestled in among all the conventionally-minded folk. I have been pleasantly surprised by the ones I have encountered.

Nevertheless, the general consensus regarding the past two plus years is – "nothing really bad happened and no one really did anything wrong - particularly not me".

And it seems that attitude will persist into the foreseeable future regardless of what does or does not happen. I don't know about you, but that's a non-starter for me -- in every imaginable way, especially spiritually.

I am not a pill popper myself. I don't like the terms and don't use them, and I don't like to apply them to Christianity, especially Romantic Christianity, for the simple reason that with discernment the emphasis on what Christians are "for" should always be stronger than the emphasis on what we are the "against".

Having said that, I struggle to understand exactly what most Christians are "against". More importantly, I often cannot determine what they are truly "for". Granted, most of that does not fall within the purview of my immediate, proximal, or personal concern, but it does make me wonder all the same.

At the end of the day, it really does come down to metaphysics – and a primary imperative of metaphysics for me is “don’t be scared”.

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Todd
9/26/2022 15:25:29

Karl D. posted a response to this controversy in his last post. I'll post a relevant high-light, and then give an initial response from my perspective:

<i>How do the human and spiritual sides work together?

There is no grand conspiracy outside of Satan. There are different human factions whose goals align and Satan skillfully uses them to advance his plans. This explains why both initial statements are accurate. Only a few individuals actively seek to kill you. Most simply do not give a fuck if you die.

Someone, or more likely, several someone’s in the Federal government came up with the PREP Act and threw money at the coof. It’s not some grand conspiracy. It is greedy, selfish, shortsighted, money grubbing, indifferent-to-death hospital employees choosing money over people’s lives. I don’t know if any of these people are truly Satan’s servants, or they are on his side by happenstance. </i>

I understand where Karl is coming from, but I think he doesn't address the possibility that Satan can influence individuals <b>directly</b> through something akin to demonic oppression or even possession, or that he can guide people's actual thoughts.

And how does, as Karl puts it, Satan "skillfully use them" to advance his plans?

There's a lot more in his post, but I'll leave it to the readers to find and discuss the other points if they wish.

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Francis Berger
9/26/2022 16:42:14

@ Todd - Could you post a link to Karl D.'s response? I can't find it. I would like to read it in its entirety before responding. Thanks.

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Todd
9/27/2022 16:58:20

Here is the link. Please disregard the one I posted by accident above:
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=247033

Francis Berger
9/27/2022 19:41:15

@ Todd - Thanks for the link. From a spiritual perspective, up until quite recently, I believed evil aimed primarily for damnation over death. Quite recently, I have become increasingly convinced that death has become a major objective, probably because the damnation of so many has already been secured. To use Dr. Charlton's adoption of Steiner's terms - Sorath is taking over. Observers like Karl D. cannot wrap their heads around Sorath, no matter how hard they try.

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lea
9/28/2022 06:19:26

While i doubt anyone reading this blog or something similar on a regular basis needs this particular image, see it is a way to explain it to friends and family; Sorath is the spiritual equivalent of Heath Ledger's Joker 'progressing' into the 5th Element's comet of death. It may mask as a kind of 'productive destruction' only as long as required. The paraphrase of choice would be 'Some entities just want to see the universe burn'.

Anti-Gnostic
9/26/2022 21:10:43

Christianity at this point is in apologetic retreat, everywhere so far as I can tell. The infidels have succeeded in turning Christianity's own Good Samaritan-teachings against it. And I don't see a way out of the dilemma. Sexual deviants MUST be accepted into the full life of the Church because; after all, it's a hospital for sick (I mean, really sick!) souls! Non-Christian immigrants must be welcomed, and religion banished from the public square, because they are our neighbors! In Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek! Nor Arab, African, Hindu, Han, and absolutely, positively NOT Anglo-American.

Christianity has not preserved human thriving. Christendom blew itself up in World Wars 1 and 2, and the Protestant Christian US is being overrun and our people are dying deaths of despair while the atheistic, managerial elite wield absolute authority. Churchmen tell people to lie back and enjoy it because after all our true Kingdom is in Heaven. But this is pure nihilism and people respond accordingly by drinking or eating themselves to death and getting an opioid prescription. Again, the endless messaging from devout and scholarly Christians is to obey demotic authority and pray harder, fast longer, tithe more (why?).

If there are any words of Christ applicable to the present situation I'd love to see them but I'm not aware of any. The uniform response of people I formerly respected on these issues is just to burrow down on M. Night Shyamalan's Village. (Look up where he lives, btw. Very revealing.)

I think we are at another inflection point like the Jews in their God-promised Zion, until the Macedonian and Roman Empires show up and that's the end of Zion.

Of course, if you persevered to 1948 AD (excuse me, CE), your Judaic faith was vindicated. Maybe the Christians could learn some lessons from the Jews.

We are entering the post-Christian/pre-Christian era. I won't be around but my advice to the post-Christian/pre-Christians would be <a href=https://www.amerika.org/politics/separating-god-from-god/>don't write anything down.</a>

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